My Two Census

Formerly the non-partisan watchdog of the 2010 US Census, and currently an opinion blog that covers all things political, media, foreign policy, globalization, and culture…but sometimes returning to its census/demographics roots.

Another rumor comes into our Inbox…

Can anyone confirm/deny the following:

In the  Los Angeles region,  laid off workers are being denied unemployment benefits because wage data provided to EDD is incorrect or has not been provided.  LARCC sent  email to offices today asking to be advised asap if  this has occurred in their offices. . One case in our office has wage data reported incorrectly and another shows  ZERO wages for the last year although employee has worked in office since 2009. Problem is occurring in both DAPPS and NFC (management) payrolls.

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19 Responses to “Another rumor comes into our Inbox…”

  1. DontBHatinEnumeratin Says:

    What about check stubs?

  2. Maiasaura Says:

    Twice now the Wisconsin Unemployment office has sent me a letter saying they had no employers on file for me. I faxed them the pay stubs and the disconnect letter from the census bureau, but something’s not connecting.

  3. Another AMA Says:

    I am an AMA that has helped many of our office employees with wage information so they can go to the unemployment agency with wage information in hand in case the Census Bureau won’t provide it. The RCC has stated they will not go out of their way to help newly unemployed census workers.

    I have been discouraged from helping the newly unemployed by my R.

  4. Samantha Jackson Says:

    The way I understand it is that the state has access to all wage information on those employed in the state except for federal employee wage data. The state has to contact the feds and ask for the records. The question is, how long is it taking the feds to supply the info? I’ve heard it can take a few weeks and will cause a delay in initial payments but that once it starts you will receive the delayed payments and get caught up. Even if your letter says you have zero earnings from the CB you should still fill out your necessary weekly paperwork and send it in. I think it says zero because the feds have not supplied the necessary info yet. Failing to fill out your weekly paperwork and submit it could cause further delay in your claim. Check with your state unemployment office.

    AMA, thanks for the info you provided above.

  5. NY Enum Says:

    good point samantha.

    i applied last week and was denied in new york because they don’t count the current quarter into the equation and i was unemployed before the census. this is ok, like others said. the wages say zero but you can appeal it with copies of the SF50, pay stubs and so on. it’s another loop to jump through but we’re now used to that, right?

    basically, i need to wait until october to apply then all the money i earned since april will count. they said i could still try to get food stamps with the rejection letter. free food is good.

  6. Samantha Jackson Says:

    NY Enum, initially the paperwork says, zero for wages because they are waiting on the feds. In theory, the state will send and updated benefits letter in a few weeks.

  7. YoungCL Says:

    Relatedly, I heard a rumor from the FOS during NRFU that the Census Bureau was trying to avoid laying people off… that they were trying to encourage people to resign so they didn’t have to pay unemployment. Only a rumor, but it was a troubling one. I don’t know where she got the information from though.

    On another note, NRFU RES started a couple days ago. There are 4 Crew Leader Districts in RES. 3 of them are between 25% and 50%. According to the FOS, 1 of them is COMPLETELY done — even though it had more cases and a larger geographical area than all the others. If this last area is 100%, that would mean they had completed more EQ’s in two days than the other three crew leader districts combined, despite having comparable staff levels. I smell a huge fraud-filled rat. Unfortunately, because HQ is pushing this operation’s deadline so hard, I would be very surprised if the LCO took a serious look at the cases turned in from this district…

  8. rick Says:

    THIS IS FROM A STATE UEI CLAIM REP.

    Here is the answer that I got for the person that handles Federal Employment Claims:
     
    When a claimant files for UI benefits they are advised to send in proof of employment.  The most common form of proof of employment from UCFE employers is the SF-50.  That form is requested because it lists all the necessary information for a UI claim, including the Federal Employing Agency.  They do not need to be delayed if there is a delay in receiving a most recent copy of the SF-50, they can send in any copy of the SF-50, additionally we would accept any Leave and Earning Statement (paystub), and the SF-8 (although the SF-8 doesn’t give any claimant information on it, so I like to have that in addition to something that identifies the claimant).  None of our Claims Specialists should be denying the claimant the option to file if they don’t have the SF-50, they should proceed to file the claim and advise the claimant of what should be sent in to verify proof of employment.
     
    When the claim is filed we send an electronic request to Talx (third party employer representative) who responds with the wage information.  A paper 931N is generated and mailed as well, and Talx returns those with Dates of employment as well as separation information and wage assignment information (if the wages get to be assigned to Nebraska or if they’ve already been assigned to another state).  

    THIS MAY HELP WHEN FILING

  9. RACOCO Says:

    THIS IS FROM A STATE UEI CLAIM REP.

    Here is the answer that I got for the person that handles Federal Employment Claims:
     
    When a claimant files for UI benefits they are advised to send in proof of employment.  The most common form of proof of employment from UCFE employers is the SF-50.  That form is requested because it lists all the necessary information for a UI claim, including the Federal Employing Agency.  They do not need to be delayed if there is a delay in receiving a most recent copy of the SF-50, they can send in any copy of the SF-50, additionally we would accept any Leave and Earning Statement (paystub), and the SF-8 (although the SF-8 doesn’t give any claimant information on it, so I like to have that in addition to something that identifies the claimant).  None of our Claims Specialists should be denying the claimant the option to file if they don’t have the SF-50, they should proceed to file the claim and advise the claimant of what should be sent in to verify proof of employment.
     
    When the claim is filed we send an electronic request to Talx (third party employer representative) who responds with the wage information.  A paper 931N is generated and mailed as well, and Talx returns those with Dates of employment as well as separation information and wage assignment information (if the wages get to be assigned to Nebraska or if they’ve
    already been assigned to another state).  

    THIS MAY HELP WHEN FILING

  10. Anonymous2010 Says:

    You can fax the relevant Earnings Statements (the form number is D-444) to Unemployment. You should fax the beginning Earnings Statement,the Earnings Statements representing the end of each quarter, and the last Earnings Statement.

  11. anonymous Says:

    A while back, I told everyone to save your pay stubbs from last year and this year. Make copies. Telephone your state’s unemployment call center and ask for the Military/Federal Employment Desk. They will give you the correct mailing address and FAX number. Send a FAX and hard copy through the mail. They will record your “Federal Census Earnings” on their state system. This could take a couple of weeks. Call back to verify they have this info. Make extra copies of your 2009 and 2010 pay stubs.

  12. Worker Bee Says:

    The upside is if your federal wages do not show up, you are not put on a crappy state based claim.

    For example, if you had a job that a couple years ago where you earned an average of 800 a week, you would get 400 a week in unemp ins. Then you get up to 4 tiers of federal extension benefits plus FED-ED. However, if you get another job that qualifies you for a new claim, you lose out.

    For example, if you make over 900 or better in one quarter in California, you have QUALIFIED to get $40 a week for ex number of weeks! So the lesson is DO NOT work at all if you are on a decent federal extension or you will be PENALIZED.

    For example, if you were drawing $400 a week in EDD on a federal extension, then you are very very happy that your Census wages do NOT show up and “qualify” you for a new state claim based on Census wages. That could mean $200 or below per week.

  13. Samantha Jackson Says:

    As I said above, if you legitimately have Census Bureau payroll in your base period, do not panic if your initial unemployment benefits statement does not include the name of your employer and pay received from the Census Bureau. Fed payroll information is not immediately available to states as is all other payroll until a claim is filed and the state asks the Feds for the info and the Feds supply the info. In my state it takes about a week and a half to two weeks for the Feds to get the info to the State. You don’t necessarily have to jump in to panic mode upon receiving the initial notice with all those zeros. Yes, stay on top of it, follow through, make sure you get an amended award letter but I don’t think y’all need to run around photocopying all your D-444 and shooting/faxing them off to your Unemployment Offices.

  14. Sharon Says:

    If someone applied NOW for unemployment in California, they look at what was earned from April 2009 through March of 2010. That is the base period if you file in August. NO earning for NRFU will show up!

    I am waiting until October to file. My base period will be thru June 2010.

  15. Elijah Says:

    I was recently working for the census and they just came to me one day and said was problem with my paperwork? I was a crew leader assistant and had to check everyones work. THe only thing I could think happened was in next phases I wasnt and they guy that was had to be a proxy on one of mine. THat next day they asked for my work gear. That was in July 25 and I still havent recieved SF 50 and when called the LCO they wouldnt send said it wass sent in mail. Now what person in their right mind is gonna throw a piece of paper like that away and didnt come with last stub. Upon calling the unemployment office I was given run around and they cant do anything til I get this form. Ok so I call the LCO back and they cant fax or email to me or for the matter just print one off and mail. I dont understand why no one wants to do their job he said the Unemployment Agency could request them but yet again when I called they claimed they cant do anything bout my form. Anyone have any suggestions?

  16. Leigh Cain Says:

    What is the AMA and the RCC that the AMA guy says we can get help from to obtain our wages earned during the 2010 census?

  17. Former FOS Says:

    In order for the nemplyemnt office to get wage and separation information fro your case they need to request it from TALX UC Express. This a the third party hired by the Census Bureau to handle unemloymeny claim information. The TALX address is given on your SP-8m which is: TALX UC Express, PO BOX 66945, St. Louis MO, 63166… You are to tell your unemploymeny officer or agent to request the info this TALX UC. Giving the regional address on your SP 50 or pay stub will delay things.

  18. Former FOS Says:

    In order for the nemplyemnt office to get wage and separation information fro your case they need to request it from TALX UC Express. This a the third party hired by the Census Bureau to handle unemloymeny claim information. The TALX address is given on your SP-8 which is: TALX UC Express, PO BOX 66945, St. Louis MO, 63166… You are to tell your unemploymeny officer or agent to request the info this TALX UC. Giving the regional address on your SP 50 or pay stub will delay things.

  19. Lolita Says:

    Ever since I applied for unemployment, after working 8 months with the LA Region, it’s been a nightmare. I sent EDD what stubs I had but was missing the first two months. (I’d worked 1990 and 2000 census and never had to save stubs. A few months before my 2010 job ended I was told I had to save stubs.)

    As a result, I only got 2/3 of what I was supposed to get in my claim. When claim ran out, I thought I’d be extended once for the state, then get federal extension. But EDD said I hadn’t worked enough to get any extensions. Their printout showed they’d never gotten my earnings from the Census! Though I’d worked December until 1 August, and had given them complete pay stubs from February to July, they only had February and March in their printout. I tried to dispute when unemployment ran out in November (and I hadn’t had any extensions yet). EDD never answered my written dispute. With limited cell minutes, I can’t stay on hold hours waiting for EDD. I notified governor’s office three times but have never had response from them, either. I called local TV station but they haven’t offered to help me investigate/solve this.

    After borrowing as much as I can, and selling much of my things to pay rent, I’m behind one month and facing eviction. My electric and phone will be shut off. No family to help me. Being single and without children, it disqualifies me from getting public assistance I could get otherwise. I need help!!!!